2004 FZ6-complete bike with frame damage. Great for part out / project $1000 (NYC)

[Dannyboy676]

2004 FZ6-complete bike with frame damage. Great for part out / project $1400 (NYC)

Hey guys, I live in Manhattan and park on the street without a garage so a part out would be difficult but I have a 2004 yamaha with a cracked frame and front fairing damage (one headlight is still good) for sale.
Asking $1,400.
Bike RUNS and DRIVES straight.
Near new pr 4 tires.
As far as my abilities can tell, I don't believe the forks are bent.
Bike has 14k.

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As of now, looks like I'll be repairing and fixing it myself.

 

[Dannyboy676]

 

[TownsendsFJR1300]

Besides the front left bolt missing, is the engine mount cracked as well as where the bobbin (with the cracked frame ) bolts to?

Shame, nice clean bike too...

 

[fazil]

Is this the proof of the bobbins are not good for bike, that they can possibly crack frame ?

 

[TownsendsFJR1300]

Is this the proof of the bobbins are not good for bike, that they can possibly crack frame ?

If the bike hit a certain way/hard enough, they act like a lever against the threads/frame. His, ^^, are particularly long (more leverage) and often strip the engine threads..

It's not the first time it's happened... Won't be the last..

I won't have them for this reason. Better a scratch than a broke frame IMO...


I suspect the bike was backed over while stopped and the bobbin held up, but the frame didn't
Can the OP advise how the damage occurred? (stopped, riding, etc).

 

[motojoe122]

Unless it's the angle of the picture, it looks like those are the extra long frame sliders. I would imagine that could cause the damage to be worse.


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[bricksrheavy]

Is this the proof of the bobbins are not good for bike, that they can possibly crack frame ?

I guess it depends on the quality of frame sliders, allegedly some are pre-weakened so they bend/snap if the forces are too big so they don't damage the frame. Here are some pics of a frame slider bolt that had sheared clean off on my bike "conveniently" leaving a bit in the engine mount which was a huge PITA to extract.

The brand of the sliders was "Valter Moto", I have a Givi cage now, hopefully it will provide me with better luck than the cursed sliders

 

[Dannyboy676]

I rear ended a smart car at speed, luckily I was OK. No injuries.
Stake is a bit altered.
I don't think the slider had anything to do with it.
The right slider was not present at time of accident.

Friend of mine advised that this might be able to welded and bolted safely and the engine will be realigned once put on a jack so it could be bolted back properly.

 

[Dannyboy676]

Also, the left side where the frame is, the bolt is still there and is attached. No stripping.
I don't think this was a case of the slider causing damage.
This was just a head on collision at the wrong speed and wrong angle I believe. Unfortunately.

I thought this was a goner, but now debating keeping it unless someone takes it.

 

[Dkobra]

Hmm.. Quite a shame! I am interested in a few parts. I'm from Brooklyn.

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[Dannyboy676]

What are you interested in?


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[Dannyboy676]

Hey guys, I live in Manhattan and park on the street without a garage so a part out would be difficult but I have a 2004 yamaha with a cracked frame and front fairing damage (one headlight is still good) for sale.
Asking $1,400.
Bike RUNS and DRIVES straight.
Near new pr 4 tires.
As far as my abilities can tell, I don't believe the forks are bent.
Bike has 11k.
Wish I could do a part out but would be near impossible.

(323)286-2779

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[MattR302]

If you search on here, there's a thread where someone took the side of the frame off, had it welded, and re-installed it. It was a relatively easy job, disassembling the frame with the bike together. But if you don't have a garage, might just be better off selling it as a whole to a member willing to tackle that.

 

[Dannyboy676]

What do you mean took a side of the frame off?


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[FinalImpact]

What do you mean took a side of the frame off?


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It is two parts. Left and right. It unbolts and separates. That said, it can be taken apart.

In your case it appears sprung and I would bet money it would crack elsewhere if welded off engine.

Basically it needs bent past where it bent originally, tacted into place, then removed and welded. All possible.

Just saying that if you unbolted the slider, I'd bet the frame springs out. If welded as is, the stress will crack it again. Just not in the same place.

 

[Dannyboy676]

It is two parts. Left and right. It unbolts and separates. That said, it can be taken apart.

In your case it appears sprung and I would bet money it would crack elsewhere if welded off engine.

Basically it needs bent past where it bent originally, tacted into place, then removed and welded. All possible.

Just saying that if you unbolted the slider, I'd bet the frame springs out. If welded as is, the stress will crack it again. Just not in the same place.

Well, I'll have to remove the slider anyways first before doing anything. If it does spring outwards, it's most probably a goner but hopefully it isn't and can be realigned, bolted and secured with no frame stress and then welded.


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[FinalImpact]

Well, I'll have to remove the slider anyways first before doing anything. If it does spring outwards, it's most probably a goner but hopefully it isn't and can be realigned, bolted and secured with no frame stress and then welded.


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Looking at this shot, the frontal impact and force applied at the frames steering stem really put the hurts on the structure. It is bowed and tweaked everywhere. The engine is a stressed member as part of the frame. However the force was so high it pivoted at the head mounts and did all of this...

From thread: http://www.600riders.com/forum/garage-mechanical-help/57537-cracked-frame-two-engine-bolts-out.html

 

[fazil]

Do you think this wouldn't happen if the frame sliders were not fit?

 

[Dannyboy676]

Re: 2004 FZ6-complete bike with frame damage. Great for part out / project $1400 (NYC)

I think so.


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[FinalImpact]

Re: 2004 FZ6-complete bike with frame damage. Great for part out / project $1400 (NYC)

Aydin, notice the bike wasn't skidding on its side. The structure damage here was done by frontal impact. The front wheel stopped and the bike kept moving so think in terms of holding the rear wheel down and shoving the front wheel back. The stress at the steering head deformed the frame. Sliders were not a factor.

Make sense?

Sliders are great for the track and smooth surfaces, but if they slide over something that catches them, results may very. Ideally sections would shear off if designed right. But this cast frame doesn't hold up like a steel frame.