Race Style or Over the Fender

[trepetti]

One of my winter projects if to install SS lines on my 05 FZ6. I'd like to hear opinions and facts to help me decide if either the Race or Over the Fender are preferred.

I am thinking that since I have Over the Fender as stock, there needs to be a reason to change....either performance, installation, cost, availability...something!

I am looking at HEL, but if you have any other suggestions...I'm listening.

Thanks

 

[Mark3d 4 D34th]

I posted a link cause knee draggers is offering front and rear for $99.99 shipped race style and I have been told that race style is better because it offers better braking and more consistant braking at both sides. Not sure but a good friend that races here in Germany said it and he said thats the only way to go so i did.

 

[SweaterDude]

can i get a diagram for this. i cant pictur what you're talking about for "race style"

 

[PosterFZ6]

can i get a diagram for this. i cant pictur what you're talking about for "race style"

What he means is that each line of runs directly from the master cylinder to each respective caliper.

Over the fender set up runs one line to one caliper and then there's an over the fender line that runs to the other caliper. - I think, that's how I remember the set up. Please correct me if I am wrong.


I went with the "race" set up for few reasons.

I was told that usually air bubble tend to accumulate in the "peak" of the over the fender line.

I figured that each line running directly from the master cylinder to each caliper simplifies the set up.

 

[greg]

race style used to be 2 lines coming from the master cylinder, one to each calliper. OEM design is for one line from the master cylinder to a junction box on one side, and then a line to each calliper (using rubber lines)

I think modern race design uses a Y-piece, with 1 line from the master cylinder, splitting in two for each calliper (this is probably more efficient and lighter)

Using a Y-piece or 2 lines would mean the same pressure gets exerted on each calliper at the same time. Up and over would mean one calliper gets more pressure to begin with until they equalise, there might be some other fluid dynamics at play, but I'm not a huge expert in this area.

as to which is better? upgrading from rubber lines to braided will be the biggest difference, but you probably wouldn't notice much difference after that. dual brake lines are also easier to bleed.

 

[trepetti]

Spoke to HEL, and the best answer I got was that a race style has more fluid which means a lower fluid temperature. I tend to agree that the biggest difference is the braided lines, and the 'style' subject to personal taste and small technical gains.

 

[QwickFliCk]

Get the race style " one line to each caliper" it's easier to bleed don't bother w the over the fender...I got goodridge lines and IMO they're pretty good no rusty banjo bolts like galfer lines ... I heard hel is good too

 

[nivag]

I did on the fender as was told there wouldn't be much of a difference on my bike. Plus it keeps it looking standard.

 

[ghostdog]

I'm running galfer on front and back. The banjo bolts I received are amazing fit and finish.

I am running direct from the master cylinder to both calipers directly.

Plus they are still on sale I believe in the classifieds (buy front get back free).

My fz6 brakes like a beast now.

 

[MG-242]

"race style" for many of the reasons stated above and check out Spiegeler They're made here in Ohio, have awesome customer service, and make a great product.

 

[JoeSTL]

I got a question about the HEL race lines. When ordering, should you get the stock length in the front and rear? If extended, how long? I read in another thread that someone had issues with the stock length on the galfer lines they ordered. Anyone have issues with stock race length with HEL lines?

 

[greg]

I ordered FZ6 HEL lines and had no issues, I didn't request any extra length

 

[trepetti]

OK, Race style it is..... Thanks everyone....

So installation....I hate the thought of wire ties going down the fork legs. I will not be able to use the stock mounting points.

How did you all run your lines? Pics would be great if possible. Did you purchase any 3rd party grommets or looms or anything to make the finished install look neat and tidy?

 

[TownsendsFJR1300]

OK, Race style it is..... Thanks everyone....

So installation....I hate the thought of wire ties going down the fork legs. I will not be able to use the stock mounting points.

How did you all run your lines? Pics would be great if possible. Did you purchase any 3rd party grommets or looms or anything to make the finished install look neat and tidy?

I have extended HEL lines on the front only because of my risers.

The line holders I made out of aluminum. I traced the stockers on aluminum flat plate and modded the ends to allow me to plastic wire tie them... The lines do have a small piece of rubber (sliced down the side to fit over) inbetween the line and the aluminum to protect both parts from paint damage, wear thru, etc...

You can see (look close) the bottom mounting point "notched" like the stocker to keep it from rotating...

 

[trepetti]

Beautiful workmanship! They are bigger than I thought but I like the fact that you have a straight shot to the banjo. Interesting that you used the over the fender thing to transition to the left caliper.

According to HEL, the standard length is 33" for the right and 34" for the left. On a bike without the risers, you think that will reach ok?

 

[TownsendsFJR1300]

Beautiful workmanship! They are bigger than I thought but I like the fact that you have a straight shot to the banjo. Interesting that you used the over the fender thing to transition to the left caliper.

According to HEL, the standard length is 33" for the right and 34" for the left. On a bike without the risers, you think that will reach ok?

Thank you....:thumbup: I do have another guide, bent up, (made out of heavy duty coat hanger wire), bolted to the lower triple clamp. Each end is bent into a circle, the mount to the triple much smaller than where the brake lines run thru. I think I used the threaded hole where the stock horn was (I have a Stebel horn mounted under the fairing)

I just asked for (I believe 2" longer as I have 1" up, 1, 3/8" back risers).

You do have some wiggle room, just clocking it in a certain position (at the master cylinder) can take up/let some slack out some. If the bike is stock, and that's what they recommend, you should be ok.

If you can find out EXACTLY how their measured (eye to eye?), then run a piece of rubber hose, the exact route you plan on putting them and order that length.

Just as a side note, when I got my rear line, it was somewhat longer (maybe 1.5") and did a pretty good swoop(up and then down). I wasn't happy with it, sent it back and they shortened it(per my spec's), NO CHARGE...
I did purchase them thru my local, private owned MC shop. I believe HEL had a shop just a couple of hours away (Miami?) so I got it back within a couple of days...

 

[ghostdog]

You aren't running reflectors on the front?

 

[dolau]

I ordered race style from Ebay- not a well known maker- and got my bike garage to fit them while it was in.

He said that the race style lengths sold to me were too long and ended up a right nightmare to fit but that is just that set sold to me- I had them on my FZs6 and they were fine.

Never touch brakes- only one chance to get them right and all my spanners are left handed!

 

[TownsendsFJR1300]

You aren't running reflectors on the front?

Nope, the rear, side ones are off too.... The REAR is still on , also with a Hyper running/ flashing brake light...

The brackets/posted pictures I made will still work with the reflectors should you want them on...