i called him a zombie, just not a communistic one
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There is NO DOUBT that Hussain had weapons of mass destruction because he used them to kill many thousands of Kurd men women children dogs cats goats and any thing else that didn't get away in time. There is no doubt that the UN passed a resolution requiring inspections for weapons of mass destruction because he had them and used them. There is no doubt that he refused to alow inspections which would have shown he didn't have them. There is no doubt that the Saudi's and Kawati's believed it enough to alow the US to use their soil to invade another Arab country. With all of that people like lonesoldier continue to say that the US lied about weapons of mass destruction.We made the whole thing up. I don't know how he explains all those dead Kurds. He says the US is responsible for terrorism. The US brought it on them selves. There are people who say the US knocked down the twin towers themselves. That Russian thinks the Germans decided to build a wall around Berlin and kill their own relitives. He thinks the east Europens were gratefull to the Russians for enslaving them. The fact that they built a wall and killed any one trying to get away and sent tanks to invade and kill people who didn't toe the Russian line doesn't matter. The world is full of people and they believe what they want to believe. If the walls and the tanks and the thousands of dead Kurds and the skud missils landing in Iseral, Saudi Arabia and Kawiat, and the UN resolutions requiring inspections and the pentagon and twin towers isn't enough for them then i don't guess there is any point in wasting time trying to talk to them about it. Yes this thread has turned into a giant raging fight about Georgia it's sad that there is only one person in the raging fight. I'm sure the Georgians are gratefull to the Russians for killing them. What we have accomplished in Iraq,if nothing else, is to prove that Iraq doesn't have nukes or stores of chemical weapons stock piled. For that , every one in the region and the whole world should be grateful and sleep easier at night. Of course they aren't greatful but what can you expect from people?
i will direct your attention to the button immediately above your right shift key....
good day sir.
You make some great observational points with your post. With which I generally agree with.There is a clear pattern here... all the US members seem to think the Iraqi invasion was warranted, and the rest of the world thinks the US invasion of Iraq was self serving. :canada:
This thread is reflective of the brain washing that the US people and the rest of the world has endured. There has been talk about terrorism, Russia/Georgia, WWII, Afganistan, and a lot of other crap that has clouded the issue we are discussing... the US invading Iraq.
Fact: The Iraqi invasion had nothing to do with 9/11 and terrorism. Bush called Sadam Hussain a terrorist, which people confused with the Bin Ladin terrorists held up in Afganistan that were responsible for 9/11.
Fact: Bush said that they were invading Iraq to save the people of Iraq, and to take weapons of mass destruction out of Sadam Hussains hands. These weapons were never found as admitted by Bush.
Plain and simple... the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN. There have been arguements here that certain countries vetoed the UN sanctioning of the invasion. I would highly doubt that is even possible... I think probably the truth is that there wasn't enough support from the 192 countries that make up the UN.
Has the US done some bad things in Iraq? Yes. Has the US done some good things for the Iraqi people? Yes, they have to inorder to save face and mend their relationship with the Iraqi people.
The big question is why did Bush invade Iraq?? IMO, economic gain, personally and nationally. Money makes the world go around. It USED to be that gold was the basis of the world economy, hence federal gold reserves. NOW in the industrial world, oil is the true currency. If you don't believe me have a look around your house and take notice of what you have that requires oil. Besides your FZ and other gas guzzlers, look at all your other synthetics, plastics, vinyls, and other petrolium based products. Now ask yourself... What imported product does the US most depend on? Where is most of the world oil? How affordable is it to the US economy?
All you Yankee patriots should ask yourself... is the rest of the world wrong? :Flip:
:scared: FLAME AWAY!!!
My view is that it is not necessarily about the oil now. It's about a the oil in the future.^^^ The majority of the oil we import comes from...drum roll please....CANADA, followed by.....MEXICO. Not the Middle East (ME). The ME is the topic of our friends in Washington DC like to use as a scapegoat. Baaaaah, Baaaaah!
Also, little know factoid, Iraq now produces more oil than ANY TIME UNDER SADDAM. Also during the Surge, or as us in the Army call it, \"Plus Up\", there was more POWER available than any time under Saddam. Hummm...me thinks the media; left, right and in the middle wanted the US and the rest of the world to not know what was really going on.
(Blame my wife for the capital letters, she made killer Pina Coladas tonight) whew! :thumbup:
\"I'll have a cafe, mocha, vodka, valium, latte to go please!\"
There is a clear pattern here... all the US members seem to think the Iraqi invasion was warranted, and the rest of the world thinks the US invasion of Iraq was self serving. :canada:
This thread is reflective of the brain washing that the US people and the rest of the world has endured. There has been talk about terrorism, Russia/Georgia, WWII, Afganistan, and a lot of other crap that has clouded the issue we are discussing... the US invading Iraq.
Fact: The Iraqi invasion had nothing to do with 9/11 and terrorism. Bush called Sadam Hussain a terrorist, which people confused with the Bin Ladin terrorists held up in Afganistan that were responsible for 9/11.
Fact: Bush said that they were invading Iraq to save the people of Iraq, and to take weapons of mass destruction out of Sadam Hussains hands. These weapons were never found as admitted by Bush.
Plain and simple... the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN. There have been arguements here that certain countries vetoed the UN sanctioning of the invasion. I would highly doubt that is even possible... I think probably the truth is that there wasn't enough support from the 192 countries that make up the UN.
Has the US done some bad things in Iraq? Yes. Has the US done some good things for the Iraqi people? Yes, they have to inorder to save face and mend their relationship with the Iraqi people.
The big question is why did Bush invade Iraq?? IMO, economic gain, personally and nationally. Money makes the world go around. It USED to be that gold was the basis of the world economy, hence federal gold reserves. NOW in the industrial world, oil is the true currency. If you don't believe me have a look around your house and take notice of what you have that requires oil. Besides your FZ and other gas guzzlers, look at all your other synthetics, plastics, vinyls, and other petrolium based products. Now ask yourself... What imported product does the US most depend on? Where is most of the world oil? How affordable is it to the US economy?
All you Yankee patriots should ask yourself... is the rest of the world wrong? :Flip:
:scared: FLAME AWAY!!!
There is a clear pattern here... all the US members seem to think the Iraqi invasion was warranted, and the rest of the world thinks the US invasion of Iraq was self serving. :canada:
This thread is reflective of the brain washing that the US people and the rest of the world has endured. There has been talk about terrorism, Russia/Georgia, WWII, Afganistan, and a lot of other crap that has clouded the issue we are discussing... the US invading Iraq.
Fact: The Iraqi invasion had nothing to do with 9/11 and terrorism. Bush called Sadam Hussain a terrorist, which people confused with the Bin Ladin terrorists held up in Afganistan that were responsible for 9/11.
Fact: Bush said that they were invading Iraq to save the people of Iraq, and to take weapons of mass destruction out of Sadam Hussains hands. These weapons were never found as admitted by Bush.
Plain and simple... the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN. There have been arguements here that certain countries vetoed the UN sanctioning of the invasion. I would highly doubt that is even possible... I think probably the truth is that there wasn't enough support from the 192 countries that make up the UN.
Has the US done some bad things in Iraq? Yes. Has the US done some good things for the Iraqi people? Yes, they have to inorder to save face and mend their relationship with the Iraqi people.
The big question is why did Bush invade Iraq?? IMO, economic gain, personally and nationally. Money makes the world go around. It USED to be that gold was the basis of the world economy, hence federal gold reserves. NOW in the industrial world, oil is the true currency. If you don't believe me have a look around your house and take notice of what you have that requires oil. Besides your FZ and other gas guzzlers, look at all your other synthetics, plastics, vinyls, and other petrolium based products. Now ask yourself... What imported product does the US most depend on? Where is most of the world oil? How affordable is it to the US economy?
All you Yankee patriots should ask yourself... is the rest of the world wrong? :Flip:
:scared: FLAME AWAY!!!
Bush - аsshоle
Bush - аsshоle
Well Formula154, I'm glad you promted me to look at the UN Charter...
I think you should clarify how Article 27 reads, that is, the UN Security Council needs 9 affirmative votes of 15, 6 of those must come from all permanent Security Council members (China, France, Russia, the UK, the US, and Northern Irland). Hence, any of the 6 permanent members have veto power.
I won't pretend to know, and will leave this for you to answer... What was the vote count? Did any of the permanent members exercise their veto power?
You say that 60 of the 192 UN members are contributing to the effort... I'm not sure that less than 1/3 of the members is a ratio to be proud of when Article 25 states... the members of the United Nations agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council. Not to mention that any or all of those countries could have given as little as $1 to the effort and be included in that list.
:canada: Canada did not send any troops into Iraq for the simple fact that it wasn't UN sanctioned.
Is it possible that the US thought Sadam had WMD because the US gave the weapons to Sadam during the Iran war?
BTW, I can't help it but wonder what your views are on racism... :rockon:
Well Formula154, I'm glad you promted me to look at the UN Charter...
I think you should clarify how Article 27 reads, that is, the UN Security Council needs 9 affirmative votes of 15, 6 of those must come from all permanent Security Council members (China, France, Russia, the UK, the US, and Northern Irland). Hence, any of the 6 permanent members have veto power.
I won't pretend to know, and will leave this for you to answer... What was the vote count? Did any of the permanent members exercise their veto power?
You say that 60 of the 192 UN members are contributing to the effort... I'm not sure that less than 1/3 of the members is a ratio to be proud of when Article 25 states... the members of the United Nations agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council. Not to mention that any or all of those countries could have given as little as $1 to the effort and be included in that list.
:canada: Canada did not send any troops into Iraq for the simple fact that it wasn't UN sanctioned.
Is it possible that the US thought Sadam had WMD because the US gave the weapons to Sadam during the Iran war?
BTW, I can't help it but wonder what your views are on racism... :rockon:
Nikita Khrushchev is an ass hole and he has a big ugly wart on the side of his nose.
This is the first post of yours that I fully agree with on this subject. That does not mean to say that I do not respect your right to have an opinion. It will happen as you predict, there are no two ways about it unless a UN presence is maintained in Iraq. Civil war will ensue. Possible options may be a division of territories?The truth is that I don’t believe everything the US government says. I don’t believe everything any government says. As far as I can tell they all lie and look out for themselves. That is OK if they don’t screw other people over in the process. I don’t think the people of
Yugoslavia wanted to be dominated and controlled by the Russians for 50 years. While the Russians were there, there was peace in Yugoslavia. When the Russians left the different ethnic groups that made up Yugoslavia started killing each other and just about destroyed the country. There are different ethnic groups (or tribes) in Iraq. There was relative peace while Hussein was there because he killed every one who didn’t toe the line. The US removed Hussein. If the US just walks out of Iraq I think the country will collapse into total chaos. There will be more dead people there than they can bury. The different terrorist groups will claim that they drove the US out. They will make the terrorist problem in the entire world that much worse. They will believe they can defeat the US then they can destroy Israel and any one else. Whether we should have gone or not is debatable, but we did go and now they had better come up with some way to get out with out leaving a power vacuum there.