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Ram Air Ideas Wanted

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I NEED YOUR IDEAS!! Whats in it for you? I will pick the idea, the majority agrees would be a sucess,and make the mod to my own bike and take pics from start to finish,tell you what materials i use and the tools and tricks you will need to do it yourself.
 
As I have though about this in the past...... A Suzuki SRAD or similar duct set up would be cool but impractical (goes through the frame). If you could get some Plastic square tubes that would hide well underneath of the tank (I guess you could use dryer vent) and cut a hole (or two depending on setup) in the front of the air box to match. With the intakes being basicly under the front of the front fairing (so air is directed right to them) and going directly to the front of the air box. Might be kind of loud but who doesn't like a little engine music? :D
 
Fred - I saw a used tank of Ebay for $45 about a month ago and almost bought it. If a cheap one shows up again we'll have to try it.
 
I may be way off but my homemade pvc / pep boys stuff worked well for my cruiser but dayum, not sure what you'd do on the fz6

Here's my 109, she was a great bike

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Fred - I saw a used tank of Ebay for $45 about a month ago and almost bought it. If a cheap one shows up again we'll have to try it.

Yes, my victim^H^H^H^H^H^Hfriend. Bring your bike to me and let me cut holes in it. :sinister:

I'll need to do some testing with a manometer to see if the gills on the 07+ fairing are located in a place where they can act as ram air scoops. But then we can cut some metal.

I really want to get a planishing hammer or English Wheel. The ability to form aluminum into smooth shaped would be a necessity for this project.
 
I may be way off but my homemade pvc / pep boys stuff worked well for my cruiser but dayum, not sure what you'd do on the fz6

That's good looking. Keep in mind that what you have there is not ram air, but a cold air intake. Ram air is a totally different beast.
 
This is the air box on my bike now. It looks like the easiest way to route the intake plumbing to the bottom of the box and over head between the top of the radiator and the frame. I could lower the radiator an inch to make a larger open for the scoop??
 
The one thing that you need to take into consideration is the airflow in the area you are putting the opening. If the intake is not in "clean" air you will have too much turbulence at the opening and defeat the purpose of the mod. Looking at the front of the Fz there really isn't an uber practical place to put it. Installing it over the rad isn't the best location due to the disturbed air coming off the front end. Your best bet would be to find a way to pipe it into the snout of the fairing or to a scoop of some type out a couple of inches to the side of the fairing.

It's a great idea to try and once Steph's Fz is out of storage I will take a look and see if I can come up with any ideas, provided you haven't already come up with a workable system.
 
I would be sure nice if the guy with the supercharged bike would step in here with some details on how he got that intake pipe to go under the frame off the blower. If you were going to do this mod. That would be the way to do it.

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Do something with the battery tray, move some stuff around in there. It might be possible, effective... well that depends on how well you do it.

If you can get a decently straight tract to the airbox, add a decent sized opening out front. It might work. But only at high speeds, and a dyno wouldnt show it unless that stuck a leaf blower at the intake.

Also, just to throw this out there. It would be better if you could have the opening of the ram-air a bit larger than the actual size of the pipe as it enters the airbox. This would create a nozzling effect. Nozzles effectivly lower the pressure and incease velocity of the substance passing through it.

-bryan
 
04 to 09 are all the same except for Cali has a few dents and mounts for the evap box.
 
Also, just to throw this out there. It would be better if you could have the opening of the ram-air a bit larger than the actual size of the pipe as it enters the airbox. This would create a nozzling effect. Nozzles effectivly lower the pressure and incease velocity of the substance passing through it.

That's ass backwards, actually.

You're right about the lower pressure and increased velocity. But that's not what you want. You want the velocity of the air reduced, and the pressure increased. That's why a good ram air system starts small and gets bigger as it approaches the airbox. The air is slowed down, and pressure increases as a result.
 
That's ass backwards, actually.

You're right about the lower pressure and increased velocity. But that's not what you want. You want the velocity of the air reduced, and the pressure increased. That's why a good ram air system starts small and gets bigger as it approaches the airbox. The air is slowed down, and pressure increases as a result.

I was under the impression that velocity was what is need in the intake. Its not so much about volume of air entering, but velocity. Thats why the air box mod really doesnt do a lot.

Please do not take this as bashing, I am just confused now. Edjamacte Me! :Flash:

That and I thought intake pressure was bad, too.

-bryan
 
Most of this thread is way over my head but I'm very intrigued. The only thought I could add is about the turbulance problem. I seem to recall an episode of mythbusters where they make a wind tunnel, and to reduce turbulance, they run the wind through a honeycomb of drinking straws. Maybe that principle could help here. Just a thought.
 
Please do not take this as bashing, I am just confused now. Edjamacte Me! :Flash:

That and I thought intake pressure was bad, too.

Well, I'm kind of drunk, but I'll see if I can be coherent here.

You're right when you said that air velocity is good.

Intake velocity IS important, in the right place. This is why the diameter of the runner leading up the the throttle body matters. A narrower runner will give higher velocity, which has the effect of packing extra air into the cylinder just as the intake valve is closing. If you go with a narrow runner, you'll gain low end power, but at high revs the narrow passage becomes restrictive, and you lose top end power. So you want a high air velocity in the intake passages leading to the valves.

For example, on the BMW oilhead motors, owners will swap out the runners between different models. The sportier models had a wider runner, while the GS had a narrow runner to give it low end power. By swapping out simple parts, the behavior of the bike could be changed.

It's a balancing act. Too little velocity kills the motor. Too much kills the motor. Just enough makes the motor produce more power, but only within a certain RPM range.

But that's just on the intake runners, throttle bodies and the intake passages leading into the head. Those draw air from the airbox, which can for our purposes be considered a chamber full of stationary air. It's what the engine sucks its air from, and the chamber refills itself after each cylinder sucks in its air.


We want that chamber to refill as fast as possible, and to get as full as possible (higher air pressure.) That's the theory behind all the airbox mods. The people who have done that are opening up the airbox so that it's flowing more air into it, keeping the entire chamber at a higher volume. Does it work? Maybe. There's more factors involved here, for instance airbox resonance, which I cannot easily explain as I don't totally understand it.

But back to ram air. Ram air, like turbocharging and supercharging, is a form of forced induction. That's a fancy way of saying "Cram in as much air as you can."

Turbos and superchargers do it by shoving in the air via a pump. This heats the air up a lot, which is why these machines generally have intercoolers to cool the air back down.

Ram air does it by using the high velocity air at the front of the bike. That air has a lot of energy, but it's all kinetic energy. You were referencing Bernouli's Principle when you talked about air pressure and velocity being related. High velocity = low pressure, and vice versa.

Since you want high pressure in the airbox, what you need to do is take that high velocity, low pressure air and turn it into low velocity, high pressure air. The way to do that is to decelerate it gradually and smoothly, without letting the air flow become turbulent.

So a ram air opening on the front of a vehicle is going to be large enough to admit the needed air, but it's not going to be huge. And as the duct heads back to the airbox, it's going to gradually get larger. As it enlarges, the incoming air slows down, and pressure increases. By the time it gets to the airbox, it's moving slower than it was when it entered the ram air system, and that energy has been converted into air pressure.

The important thing about ram air is that the energy to compress the air is essentially free. A turbo creates a major exhaust restriction. A supercharger creates drag on the crankshaft. A ram air system is taking air that's hitting the bike and slowing it down, and diverts some of it to force feed the engine. So it's taking a force that works against the bike's motion and making it assist the bike in going faster.
 
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